Tightgroup also works well and is pretty consistent in the large magnum case. This five-shot group was fired at 25 yards from .44 Special cases loaded with 200-grain wadcutters and Unique. A red dot sight might be fine on a pistol caliber carbine, such as a .327 Mag., .357 Mag., or .44 Mag. Lots of rounds fired and no problems. 8gr. In the .357, I was going for about 900 or so FPS. You will get far superior load results using Power Pistol or at least Unique for the 38 loads and 2400 for your magnum loads. for that cartridge. The 44 Magnum is my most favorite reloadable cartridge. With some powders they are positively detrimental to consistency and accuracy, but my experience with the .44 Magnum and now the .41 shows a velocity gain with the magnum primers and H-110. Now that I got my bottle of Red Dot, I'll switch to that for my 200 gr light loads. It is listed on the Hodgdon site, and is very soft and accurate. Some of my "funnest" and most accurate loads were 44 Special loads right out of the manual in my Magnum brass. I also use it for 12 gauge Skeet and Trap loads. Speer #14 has a Short Barrel section for the 44 Mag, 4" bbl., 200gr JHP, using (8) different fast powders with Unique being the slowest, if that's the way you want to go. Green dot works about the same IME with my .357 and .41 and I'd imagine similar results with.44 mag as well. I've used a lot of Promo in .38 Specials and .45 Colt, and some in .357 Magnums. or .460). This email contact address is not an "Ask the Firearms Expert" service. If you still feel you are qualified to post in those subforums, please contact "Shane Tuttle" (the mod for that portion of TFL) via Private Message for assistance. So I finally snuck out to the range to test out some lighter powder puff 44 mag loads that I plan to use for indoor/winter shooting since we can't shoot jacketed or magnum rounds indoors. A military-surplus powder produced by Hercules during the war for the .30 Carbine called H240 was a bit quicker burning than 2400, but it delivered higher velocities and burned cleaner. Go to the Alliant site and study the different powders to see what they are making that is specially designed for your particular load. Find out why. 1995 Aliant shows 8.8 Red Dot for a 250 gas check lead at 1175 ps. with a 150-160 gr. Trying to work up mild load. If you are a TFL member and can access TFL, please do not use this link; instead, use the forums (like Questions, Suggestions, and Tech Support) or PM an appropriate mod or admin. I load 5 gr. Hodgdon's Universal, HP6, HP7 and HP38 are good powders for this cartridge. When the .44 Mag was introduced in 1955, Hercules 2400 and IMR 4227 soon became the most popular powders for .44 Magnum hand-loads. 231 meters better than Unique and gives much more consistent loads if you use a powder measure. 7.5g was fine too. Not a bad powder at all to use with light/medium loads. Typically with fast burning powders like Red Dot, light bullets tend to be pushed out of the case before the powder gets good ignition. That is one of the very fastest burning powders and will produce a pressure peak and sharp recoil if pushed too hard. That's what I recall too. Magnum. Been waiting to finish up the remaining blue dot in .357. from the gallery, I have 4 of the beasts, 3 vaqueros and one om sbh. Like others, I feel that Red Dot and Promo are way too fast for heavy bullets at moderate velocities in .44 mag. I see nothing wrong with using it. 16,558 Posts #12 • Dec 18, 2008. razadp, Red Dot powder isn't a very good application for light target loads with bullets that are "light for caliber". Unique (light) and 2400 (hot) has always been my powders for reloading .44, .357, and .45 . But if you want the highest velocity just go with a full load of a slower magnum powder & don't worry about "wasted powder", & … My .38 powder is Bullseye, slower than Red Dot, but still really fast and dense. During the powder shortages, we all grasped at straws for fear we would run out of our favorites. Almost 1300 fps for the 44 mag 240 gr swc. A database of .44 Remington Magnum handloads. Red-dot sights offer no magnification but superimpose a red, lighted dot over your intended target. For a long time I played with "fast" powders, lots of Bullseye and W231, but no Red Dot in magnum loads. Google is your friend. ... **Please read the request of the OP - all he has is excess red dot and green dot he wants to get rid of. If I were reloading for my magnums using H110 and I went over the manuals' recommendations, I'll be in trouble just as if I were loading Red Dot and went over manual recommendations... K.I.S.S. Using 180g bullets. Many of Alliant's loads are way too hot. Powder charges used in the .44 Special case seldom require magnum primers, although they are frequently recommended with ball or spherical powders. A clinger and deplorable, MAGA, NRA Life Member. 2 lead alloy was used to cast wadcutter bullets in an NEI 150-358-WC mould for .38 Special and .357 Magnum loads. Dunno nothin about 44 mag, but ramshot brags about their Enforcer powder for magnum hot loads. I haven't played with Red Dot in the 44Mag, but I have experimented with it in 44 Special for my Charter Arms Bulldog, practice loads. I also have a millet on a Super Redhawk 44 MAG and one on my Super Redhawk 454 Casull. Relatively hard Lyman No. These are essentially 100 yard rifles and a good red dot sight should suffice, assuming the hunter has 20/20 vision (corrected or otherwise). 8.8g Red Dot under 240g SWC (around 34K psi). Hunting Revolvers: Are Red-Dot Sights the Answer? IE: .44 Spl performance. I liked 8.0g Red Dot when I was testing it under a 240g SWC. If you want Magnum power you have to use Magnum powder. 45 Colt. While it worked fine in .32H&R Mag, I didn't like how it metered in my powder measure, so moved on to 'finer' grained powders that meter much better in small quantities like True Blue, AA#2, AA#5, etc. BTW, I consider 900+fps as medium loads regardless of caliber. Also, Universal does a great job in 45 acp, 38 spec., 9mm. Max. 22 grains of Accurate XMP 5744 with a 240gr swc is an accurate and very comfortable load to shoot. 44 Rem. I found that 6.5 of red dot gave the same accuracy with a bit less powder. 12 gauge. Accuracy was good at 25 yds., sub 2" groups from a rest. I bought a new SBH in stainless that HAS to have .430 throats. I've used a lot of Bullseye, W231, Red Dot, Trail Boss, and Unique in the light loads. I have been using these bullets with 6 gr. Universal has been very useful. Red Dot is a double-based powder of about 20 percent nitroglycerine content. 38 Special +P. Typically, the red dot sight is quite faster to utilize as compared to a .44 Magnum scope. In the .44 Mag I run some tests with Red Dot. It is about as slow as I'm comfortable going in 44 Mag-I know some folks use Bullseye, Titegroup, Red Dot, and the like successfully, but I don't like them in Magnum calibers. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! 2400 and 296/H110 are of course the classic choices. I have been using trail boss at 4.9g, but it has resulted in inconsistent rounds. So I recommend the Ultra-Dot and the Millet. I was taught to respect my elders .... problem is, I'm having a hard time finding them.​. Bullets in the .45 ACP , 6 gr. Does anyone have one they could post? Shooting lead bullets in a 44 Mag is quite a challenge. Should be a dandy. The newer manuals have loads that have been pressure tested with modern piezo transducers. 38 Special. balls over a dusting of Bullseye to 310 gr ingots over near max loads of WC820. T-Rex killers over heavy W820 loads, all in magnum brass. It may be the best of all. Alliant Powder Reload Recipes ← Back. The easy way to determine old from new is when pressures are stated in CUP, it is old crusher method data. I am not casting 200 gr out of a 6 cavity lee mold, not sizing them, ahead of 6 grs of unique. I can't claim its an ideal load at all, but it was notably lighter than Magtech 240 gr. Under the same bullet in the .45 Colt. My favorites are Speer #14 and Hornady 7th Ed. The Best Red Dot Sight for .44 Magnum Revolvers Conclusion. Neither one is a good .44 Mag powder for other then light to mid-range plinking loads. Yes, Green Dot does work well too. I'd go a lot slower on the powder for .357, start with maybe Blue Dot. Accurate now has reintroduced XMP-5744, a slow burning, bulky powder and is good in magnum pistol loads. The .430 bullets pass through its throats easier than they do through the custom 44 Special that I have that was "made to use .430 bullets." While this powder is supposed to be ideal for 9mm, .45 ACP and .38 Special, I was in the process of developing a .44 Special load using Oregon Trail’s Lasercast 240-grainers for my Ruger GP100, with the Smith & Wesson 629 in there so I could compare speed from a … Red Dot 929 fps 1 7/8 ” 8.0 gr. I shoot many rounds in the course of a year and have found my medium loads to be just fine using the powders mentioned. The bullets are 250 gr. You could double or triple charge with this load and not notice. In the .357 Magnum you can use 5 grains as a starting load up to about 6.5 grs. A lot of "I wouldn't use it in anything but powder puff loads". Looking for a lower limit load data for red dot in 44 special. In .38 Special I load 4 grs. I don't see why it wouldn't work. Drop that to 8.0 or 9.0 for some upper range .44 Special loads (check your manuals of course). Some of the larger granule powders don't flow well around powder measure baffles. A military-surplus powder produced by Hercules during the war for the .30 Carbine called H240 was a bit quicker burning than 2400, but it delivered higher velocities and burned cleaner. Yep, there may be "better", more suitable powders for big bores, but as long as one stays with book loads from their manuals, they're OK. lead bulet. But started using Trail Boss in .45 and really like it, so will be loading my .45 'normal' loads with it for the forseeable future. Such emails will be ignored. Unique under a 250 LSWC and you should be satisfied (if not, go to a .454 Mag. Is too fast for conventional wisdom just fine using the latest reloading manuals over a dusting of Bullseye,,..... Newbi to Ruger firearm owners and enthusiasts target more deer with the recommended from. 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