In any case, it would be inaccurate for Jesus to cry out, that the pass-over was finished. Jesus is going to begin this Passover meal like the Jewish people did for the preceding 1300 years. It is heresy (Gal 5:20; 2 Pet 2:1). Are they white as snow?”. What does atonement mean? Such a view of Matt 26.29, 39 seems best able to explain what would otherwise be very difficult to explain—viz., that Jesus declared in v 29 that he would not drink wine again until the kingdom age. “Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him.”. So we need to feast upon Jesus, through his Words, and we drink His blood – by being willing to suffer and die for Him. How beautifully illustrated, does our saviour do this, for His Bride. THE FOURTH CUP. I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. It is in the perfect tense - which is made up of: (a) the aorist and (b) the present tenses. But a "cup" (poterion) is not the same as a "sponge" (spongon), or a "reed" (kalamo), or a "hyssop stock" (hyssopo). It would take a religious divorce, to nullify the contract. Nothing else regarding their atonement needs to be done. Also the 3rd cup of suffering was surely what Jesus was referring to, when He said in the garden. Jesus said: “I go to my Father (in Heaven) In my Father’s House are many rooms”. Then their eyes were opened and they recognised him, and he disappeared from their sight. The next step was ritual immersion, done separately by the bride and groom. He stated his intention not to drink wine again until he came into the glory of his Kingdom. So this means, He could not have drunk any wine on the cross. The Already and the Not Yet Unveiling the Mystery of the Last Supper and the Cross (New York: Image 2018). The third cup of wine is the cup of redemption. John 19:29-30 A jar full of sour wine stood there, so they put a sponge full of the sour wine [oxous] on a hyssop branch and held it to his mouth. Exod 12:22). “say to the Israelites: ‘I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians. It looks like wine but it is not. Jesus endured the wrath of God (drank the cup of God’s wrath) so that our sins could be forgiven and so that we may drink of the cup of salvation -- symbolized when we take the cup at communion). is the Theological Editor at Third Millennium Ministries (Thirdmill). He said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.”. Arnold is an experienced Jewish Bible teacher. The pass-over could not be completed, until the WHOLE lamb had been eaten. Even Paul (an apostle to the Gentiles), preached first to the Jewish people, in a City – before he preached to the Gentiles. That in itself is reason enough to question whether its teachings were actually correct, because they were incorporated by men, i.e, the Catholic Fathers and not by the Bible. The Mystery Truth Revealed When Did Jesus Drink The Fourth and Final Cup, of The Passover? It is now, that some words have been changed to make things easier to read, but the essence is still mostly there. Jesus certainly partook of the Passover cup. They need to know the truth and the truth will set them free. So glorify God in your body.”. There are different types of cups mentioned in the Bible. I recommend it to you. But at the consecration of the Last Supper, Jesus said: “And I say to you, I will not drink again from this fruit of the vine, until that day when I shall drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father.” (Matthew 26:29) Jesus drank the fourth cup on the cross when the wine was lifted up to him on the cross on the hyssop branch, as described in Gospel of John. Jesus fulfilled the will of his Father (John 4:34; 6:37-40; 17:4, et. From God's perspective nothing else present or future needed to be done. As we have seen, he refused some on one occasion, right before being nailed to the cross (Mark 15:23). He alone brings his people into their eternal Sabbath rest (Heb 3:7-4:13), because he brought them rest from sin. Some state that in the New Testament, we can see the development of the four cups at the Passover meal: (1) the first cup - the cup of blessing (Luke 22:17); (2) the second cup - the breaking of the bread (Luke 22:19); (3) the third cup - the cup of redemption (Luke 22:20); and (4) to the fourth cup with singing (Matt 26:23-30). Hmmm…this has a familiar ring for the born again believer. First of all, none of the four gospels, mention Jesus drinking wine at the Last Supper. Can Catholics be Saved? Therefore, we observe a different delivery method for the different wines. We do know that by the time Jesus observed the Passover, drinking a cup during the meal was an official part of the observance. In addition, the four cups aren't mentioned in Jewish literature until 200 A.D.? He later consumed the fourth cup while hanging from the Cross. The Mystery Truth Revealed. It’s understandable, I guess, that Christian Haggadot under-appreciate the fourth cup. It was a meal taken after the preparations have been made ready for the actual Passover Feast to be eaten. One was repentant and the other was not (Luke 23:39-43). An important note now, re my writings March 2020 above, for you to read first. Jesus went to the Father, to prepare a place for us, and left us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Vinegar speaks of counterfeit wine. I will now show, what Jesus really meant by. Copyright 2011-2020, Third Millennium Ministries, Inc. All rights reserved. It culminates, with the groom taking his bride, to their new home. We can see the Messiah in all of the Passover Seder. By the way, when we look at Jacob, who is serving 14 years for his 2 wives – we see each 7 years referred to as, In the Book of Revelation, it talks about the 7 years (during the Tribulation) as being the, In historical Jewish weddings, the marriage supper lasts 7 days. It was customary for one of the groom’s party, to shout: This would be followed by the sounding of the shofar. Odkrywanie tajemnicy Ostatniej Wieczerzy i krzyża [trans. The next step in the betrothal is ketubah. Eph 2:8; 2 Tim 1:9; Tit 3:5). “Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready”, Our wedding feast will probably continue for seven years and will include, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them?”. Following the third cup, Jesus stated He will not drink wine again until He reaches the Kingdom. D. Kru - pińska] [Kraków: Esprit 2018]. This should never happen, because a once and for all time acceptance of Jesus, as the Saviour, is sufficient to save us, from our sins – by what HE has done. Matt 26:20-27; Mark 14:18-23). This can be seen more clearer, by the request made by James and John, in the following passage. If some religious sects, want to use Jewish tradition to explain the cups drunk by Jesus, then (to be consistent) why not also use the Jewish wedding tradition. The aorist tense means that something happens at a specific point in time. However, neither of those wine mixtures was the "fruit of the vine" (genematos tes ampelou) Jesus was referring to in Matthew 26:29. Dr. Hahn also states that Jesus only completed the Passover meal upon Calvary - and not the atonement. Jesus had already suffered for 3 hours, in spiritual and physical agony, because of taking the guilt of our sins – upon Himself. That is never true and is a real false teaching, as I will now demonstrate. The death he died, he died to sin ONCE for all”, “…..and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. The Old/New Testament Church Attach an asterisk (*) to the end of a word as a wildcard. ISBN 978-1524758790 (Polish edition: Czwarty kielich. This is where Jesus announced the New Covenant for the forgiveness of sins [Luke 22:20, Matthew 26:27-28]. The Lord's Supper (also referred to as the Meal, the Lord's Meal, the Eucharist, and Communion) involves the serving of bread and wine. $ 23. “For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. Pp. (3) The Third Cup (the berakah cup): This cup follows the grace after the Meal. Remember, this is Jewish tradition, which may or may not have been followed, at the time of Jesus. I was and am still a born again Christian. By the fourth cup, it is not meant the cup of Elijah, which was added to Passover at a later time. and they would finalise the promises and vows. A few decades ago there was a movie that asked a similar question. Since Jesus Himself had no sin of His own, He declined to drink from that third cup at the meal because He had no need to redeem Himself. To be His true disciples, we need to be feeding upon Him, drinking His very life – so that we can serve Him properly. (2) Jesus was offered wine twice upon the Cross: (a) wine + gall (myrrh) to ease his suffering, which he refused (Mark 15:23; cf. This later became possible on the Day of Pentecost. What does jesus promise. In essence, his view at best implies Jesus is a sinner and, in addition, he denies the atonement accomplished by Christ for his people at Calvary. “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? He never gave of wine to them but only the bread, at that time. That tradition remains to this day.Each time the cup is filled, it has a different name. So the Passover was not yet completed. According to Shoshana Michael Zucker, 'Elijah's cup should be considered the fifth cup, not because Elijah will resolve the doubt, but rather because his arrival as "harbinger of the redemption" will herald the final redemption; at that time, the prophecy, "I will bring you into the land which I swore to give to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and I will give it to you for a possession" may be fulfilled.'. March 28, 2012 Leave a comment by bekahcubed. (but see 2 Cor 5:21; 1 Pet 2:22) or (b) is the Roman soldier not a sinner and therefore did not need to repent (see Rom 3:23)? Is Catholic Penance Biblical? It doesn’t mean He didn’t drink wine – just that it doesn’t mention it. To use the blog well, please Press 950, 902, 600, 601, 602 to use blog best of all. Melchizedek and Catholic Apostolic Succession? In fact, Catholics have to trust in these things, because they are instructed to NEVER interpret the scriptures privately, Because of one isolated verse, written by Peter, which says. (2) The Second Cup (the haggadah cup): This is the cup of proclamation telling the story of what God did for Israel. The second one, was taken AFTER supper. Or include Old Testament saints. Where does it say (in the Bible), that a cry is made at the end of the Passover, anyway? (3) Matthew 26:27 mentions "a cup," while Matthew 27:48 and Mark 15:36 speak of a sponge put on a reed. Jesus could not have been referring to the Passover being finished, because He was still alive. Answer: This verse is often quoted – or rather misquoted – by Catholic apologists to bolster the supposed authority and the infallibility of the Roman Catholic magisterium. You lost your readers’ attention when you insist that 2000 years of Christian interpretation is now incorrect, but we must now submit to your own personal view comprised in 2010 in the USA. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.”. © The apostle clearly identifies the church as God’s household, and therefore it comprises every true Christian, not only their leaders. Jesus guarded the cup, not allowing Judas to drink the fourth cup, and Judas left during the meal before the Cup's introduction (John 13:18-30; cf. Those who partake of it are only doing what they have been taught. So, neither the Roman medicating or prolonging wines fulfill the passage in question. The couple would once again say a blessing over a cup of wine, (THE FOURTH CUP?) The New Testament word "propitiation" (hilasterion) continues the Old Testament concept of blood sacrifice (Rom 3:25). (4) The cup that Jesus spoke of in Matthew 26:29 could not have happened upon Calvary because all the saints ("with you") were not drinking too. This is known as the bridal payment, or bride price. These cups are not necessarily cups of wine. If Jesus had drunk the fourth (or final) cup, why does He break bread, but not distribute wine? Romans 11 tells us that Gentiles have been grafted into the (believing) Israel, through Jesus. The bride was to keep herself busy, sewing and preparing her wedding garments. “But deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.”, The couple set aside to prepare themselves to enter the marriage covenant. This is what actually happened in writing. When Jesus said that we must eat His flesh, and drink His blood, he may well have been saying, we need to be full of Him. You may be surprised to know, that there is NO MYSTERY regarding the final cup, if we look only to the Bible for the answers. Thanks Anonymous for visiting and contributing. Cup 2 – The Why did Jesus NOT drink the 4th cup of wine during the sacred passover meal and instead walk out before its completion? “For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. I hope you can use my blog and read it properly. al.). Jesus does not need to keep being sacrificed as He was offered up ONCE only. Jesus says, "I thirst." They were considered married, but did not have sexual relations. Then in John 18:11 Jesus says, "Shall I not drink the cup that the Father gave me?" 407 Jacob Prasch, reveals Truth about Palestine, Israel and what is really Going on, 404 Answers in Genesis. He is busy, preparing us a place to live. This during the thousand years, or in both. Question: "Did Jesus drink wine/alcohol?" “For you were bought with a price. After denying Christ three times (Matt 26:34, 69-75; Mark 14:30, 66-72; Luke 22:34, 54-62; John 18:15-27), was Peter even qualified at the moment of the crucifixion to participate in the Lord's Table? Do you agree with what the Roman Catholic teaches? This tells us that the flesh Jesus is referring to, is His words which feed our souls. The Bible DOES explain it, very clearly. Hahn's gospel is another gospel - which is no gospel at all (Gal 1:6-8; cf. According to Dr. Scott Hahn, Jesus did not drink this Fourth Passover Cup with the disciples (Matt 26:26-29). Please note the following statement by Jesus, in Matthew 26:29. 1) It is interesting that you suggest that the understanding of the kingdom changed in the 16th century. Jesus drank from 3 cups during the Last Supper, but the last - the fourth - he did not drink from then. Some believers were falling away from grace, and returning to works, and to sacrifices. Isa 53:5; Rom 5:9; 2 Cor 5:21; Eph 1:7; 1 Pet 2:24; 1 John 1:7). Jesus does not need to be kept being sacrificed, through a separate extra Catholic act, of transubstantiation. (there are more). What do they do at the 4th cup. So the sorrow was already over at that point. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. You said ‘WE’ are preparing our wedding garment Eph 5:27* Just to place an asterisk to note, but say no more as it isn’t what this thread is about, and you have already mentioned to get further info. “Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.”. “we cannot leave, You have the words of eternal life”. What is the name of the 2nd cup. They use that to say that the sacrifice of Jesus is not yet finished and continues on through the mass and transubstantiation. The whole church – all Christians – are collectively the pillar and ground of truth. The Fourth Cup is the cup of the Passover meal that Jesus refused at the last supper and on the road to Calvary. So glorify God in your body.”. No wonder, the people left one by one, but the disciples understood. It was symbolic of spiritual cleansing. This is not meant to offend, but to those who honor our Lord, it is blasphemy. It is already completely accomplished. This period would then last for one year. This is a question which the Roman Catholic Church think they have now answered…….. "It is finished" (John 19:30). “And I will betroth you to me forever. I have also fully saved pages 148 to 452 at the moment, with 1 to 147 to change soon before ready to read. Mark 15:36 And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine [oxous], put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.". The final and SEVENTH step in the betrothal is Nissuin and literally means: During betrothal, there was great anticipation. It probably means 2 significant cups (at that stage). We’re drinking the cup of the Messiah, the cup of kingdom consummation. After all, Jesus and His disciples didn’t partake of the fourth cup during the Last Supper. Well, at least you got the Jewish ceremony part kinda correct. The Passover prefigured the Lord's Table. ", but the fourth cup was never drunk. It also describes the New Covenant with Israel, in this chapter. Antiphanes (4th century B.C.E.) Transubstantiation vs. Consubstantiation vs. Memorialism vs Reformed? So it is that Jesus drinks the Fourth Cup as he finishes his life's purpose on the Cross: he 'comes into his Kingdom'. (6) "It is finished" is from the Greek word " tetelestai ," which means to complete or to fulfill. Luke 23:36 The soldiers also mocked him, coming up and offering him sour wine [oxos]. Her price is a yielded life, keeping herself for Him. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.”. Something important to consider, when comparing the Biblical account, with Roman Catholic tradition. This illustrates that the final cup, will be drunk by Jesus, in Heaven. He would then wait for the father’s determination, and go ahead, to go and claim his bride. “Let one of us sit at your right, and the other at your left in your glory.”, “Can you drink the cup I drink, or be baptised with the baptism I am baptised with?”, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptised with the baptism I am baptised with, but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The groom would return to his father’s house, but would leave his bride a gift, before his departure. I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. “that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death”. n any case, why would Jesus have drunk bitter wine (vinegar wine) if things were now complete? Is this correct? The whole event, was followed by the marriage supper. “it is no longer I that live but Christ who lives in me”. But we’re going to learn that this Passover meal is different. It sets her free from her father’s household. Jesus did not say that that cup was only reserved for Him, because it wasn’t a literal cup. This means that Jesus DIED at 3pm at the exact time that the passover lamb was being consumed throughout Israel. Then Jesus took the cup and blessed it, saying, “This is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. A few quick points that need to be considered for another time. Matt 26:26-30 And while they were eating, Jesus took {some} bread, and after a blessing, He broke {it} and gave {it} to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is My body." Second, according to the later developments of Judaism, the four cups are said to be first mentioned in Pharaoh's butler's dream in Genesis 40:11-13. Is Purgatory Biblical? This helps us have more clarity over my writings above. Roman Catholicism still has Jesus on the cross – their likeness of Him hangs on their crucifixes in perpetual sacrifice just as their transubstantiation mass depicts. See 1 Corinthians 11:28. “I tell you, I will not drink from this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father’s kingdom”. It included seven full days of: “Complete the week of this one, and we will give you the other also in return for serving me another seven years.”. "It is finished" (John 19:30). We cannot break it and He promises He will not break it. He already lives in us. Since we are dealing with typology here: (a) is Jesus, like the Roman soldier, a sinner? In other words, when Jesus spoke those words he was speaking of both an "accomplished fact" and an "ongoing fact"; it is finished and it will go on being finished. Instead, only the disciples drank the third cup because Jesus' blood was spilled to redeem them (and us). Jesus guarded the cup, not allowing Judas to drink the fourth cup, and Judas left during the meal before the Cup's introduction (John 13:18-30; cf. The Babylonian Talmud Pesachim 108b says, "The rabbis taught: after the fifth cup is poured, the Hallel (psalms of praise) are completed and the great Hallel (Psalm 118) is recited, according to Rabbi Tarfon." The Father’s House is in Heaven – not on the Earth. Therefore, if Hahn is to be believed, at the Cross, an unrepentant Roman soldier, whom God held morally responsible for the murder of his very Son (Acts 2:22-23; 4:27-28), was the Head of the Table? I desire that what God has spoken to me seriously, during and after this accident etc will be revealed to many people. Jesus had left unfinished the Passover liturgy in the upper room by not drinking the fourth cup. The Holy Chalice, also known as the Holy Grail, is in Christian tradition the vessel that Jesus used at the Last Supper to serve wine. Matt 26:20-27; Mark 14:18-23). Yet, how the cup became a Passover symbol remains a mystery. I now write messages that I want you to read. We are told by God, that our relationship to Jesus is with a price. He is the one serving the disciples. “man shall not live by bread alone (our physical needs) but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God (our spiritual needs)”. The Scriptures teach that there was darkness over all the Land for 3 hours. “When he was at the table with them, he took bread, gave thanks, broke it and began to give it to them. Please go to: To see more information, giving evidence on why the Catholic Church is not the true faith, please click on this link, Why The Catholic Church is Not a Christian Denomination. Certain words are bolded and the Greek words are italicized for better clarity: Matthew 27:48 And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine [oxous], and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”. All of us should have drunk the whole thing to its dregs. He said that He will drink that cup with us in heaven … But only John tells us how he responded: "When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, "It is finished"; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit" (19:30).". The Greeks too drank many cups of wine at the symposium. First, it is important to note that the Passover cups are not even mentioned in Jewish literature until Tosefta Pesahim 10:1 in 200 A.D. It is because of this symbolism that Christians observe the communion ritual today. n fact Jesus (like Paul) is saying that we need to become like Him, by denying ourselves, and taking up the cross – to follow Him. I ask if it was the 3rd cup, because the gospels only refer to 2 cups taken at this point. Do reprobates serve the Eucharist in the Catholic Church? Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. On the Cross Jesus said, "It is finished" (John 19:30), indicating that the work of atonement was completed. These promises were given to ISRAEL, alone, and were all fulfilled at that time. We do not need to keep eating and drinking Jesus, (literally) through the mass and Catholic Eucharist. Your Word is truth” (John 17:17). Change ). This cannot be ever lost by those who trust Him, as He Himself gives us all the power to trust in Him. In Jewish weddings, the Groom has to go to his father, to help prepare a place for the bride (before the wedding ceremony takes place). This is a clear indication of a future restoration. Remember, the Church is the pillar and the ground of the truth. “Truly, I say to you, I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”. The bride had no idea at what hour or time the groom would come. These are some things to consider, if one believes, that one can lose their eternal security. Catholics and Justification? (5) Since serving both a medicating wine mixed with gall (esmyrnismenon oinon) and prolonging sour wine (oxos) were a normal part of the Roman crucifixion process, two other people that day of days were partaking of wine while being crucified - the two thieves crucified with Jesus. “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only.”. This was coinciding with Jewish families, eating the pass-over meal (at that very moment), and the resurrection of the unleavened bread (Jesus) – now taking place. So, let us consider the above question, by looking at what the Bible actually says on the subject. For examples. (1 Cor 11:28). Maybe satan was trying to upset the plan of God by offering a counterfeit 4th (or final) cup but the. Catholics point to the Jewish Passover (Pesach) tradition, to explain things. Because it wasn’t completed until the death of the lamb (Jesus). To understand this fact is to understand the Gospel passages in quite a different light. said that one should honor the gods to the extent of three cups of wine (Stein, p. 17). I will free you from being slaves to them, and I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with mighty acts of judgment. Jesus said He will not drink again, until He drinks it (with us) in Heaven. Jesus already stated He wouldn’t do this, until the Kingdom had been established. Much of the original essence has not changed. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”. But again it is not scriptural, so cannot be taken as complete truth. Hopefully the following ‘cup order’ will help you to understand a little more and will enable you to see that Jesus didn’t just drink randomly from any cup and make His statement – there was an order and deeply spiritual meaning to all that He did and said: Cup 1 – The Kiddush – prayer of sanctification. 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